This version of the podcast with Nathan Wagnon as host ran from 2016 to 2022. Find Watermark’s new equipping podcast wherever you stream. Looking for more resources from Nathan Wagnon? Check out the Eden Project.Nathan and Karen finish their conversation with Dr. A. J. Sherrill on how the enneagram helps us zero in on our unique process of spiritual formation through both upstream (difficult) and downstream (easy) practices.